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Saturday, May 25, 2013

The Commons

The Commons, before trees or bike racks, back in the '70s. From Cushing Memorial Library

This article (as it stands) was written during 2013 with some in-text updates later (as I had mentioned that it had closed for renovations, which was not the case in 2013). I had intended to do a full rewrite but that didn't end up happening (see update). The address is 676 Lubbock, and...here we go.

Here was one of my favorite buildings on campus, which has since closed for renovations. I don't have a ton of information on the historic information of the Commons. I believe it has always had a post office area (or was it just mailboxes?), common lounge areas, ping-pong, and some eating places. What I'm NOT sure on is how the history of that building was. According to Historic Aggieland, it opened in 1972 along with Dunn Residence Hall and Krueger Residence Hall. The other two dorms were built in 1976. Though I heard the original dorms were built in 1973, with the Commons and the others being completed in '75. Regardless, the buildings are solidly from the mid-1970s.

According to A Pictorial History of Texas A&M University, 1876-1976, Mosher Hall and Kreuger Hall were built as women's dorms (with the other two being men's). The Commons dorms (at least as of this writing) still retain their "shared bathroom" layout. The rooms feature your typical two beds/two desks, but the bathroom is shared between two rooms, with one toilet, one shower, and two sinks. That's unfortunate—sharing a bathroom between another unrelated person is bad enough, and probably would've been a deterrent to actually living in the Commons (I'm sure I wanted to live in one of the Commons dorms at some point).

As seen in the Sbisa Dining Hall article, there were arcade and pinball games at the "Commons Snack Bar" in the late 1980s, which I'm guessing became the Common Denominator later on. (indeed, a 1970s yearbook confirms a "snack bar" was upstairs). This was one of the four "Snack Bar" locations in the 1980s and 1990s, which were the Pavilions Snack Bar, the Golf Course Snack Bar, the Bus Stop Snack Bar, and the Commons Snack Bar, which served primarily sandwiches and chips (note that all of these are gone, with the exception of the Pavilions Snack Bar, which morphed into The Grill at the Pavilion). By 2001, the Commons Snack Bar was now the Common Denominator Snack Bar and Lil' Bernie's Pizza Corner (a spin-off of the late Bernie's at Sbisa, back when Bernie's offered and was known for pepperoni rolls) was built as well.

According to Aggieland '74 (and alluded to the comment below, before I updated the post), there was originally no convenience store, but rather a branch of the "Texas A&M University Bookstore" (later renamed the MSC Bookstore after the branch locations closed). According to the comment below, that later became the convenience store "Common Market", the convenience store on campus. And of course, from the 1970s until the mid-2000s, the basement was the Commons Dining Center.

While not the best food on campus (though it was in the 1970s), you could cook your own food (until Sbisa introduced it as well), which sounds awesome but probably a health/liability problem.

You’ll get a larger variety of food at the downstairs eating facility in the Commons (a setoff dorms on campus). The food is very similar to the food at Duncan, but they usually have some more options. Also, you have the option of cooking your own food. Eggs, bacon, and pancake batter are provided in the mornings, and frozen hamburger patties are provided for lunch and dinner. This isn’t a bad deal if you want to take the time to cook your food. It usually tastes better than what they serve. The grilled cheese sandwiches are widely held as the best food served. This dining facility also has plenty of Blue Bell desserts.


(from an old Epinions review)

According to my cousin, who once worked in the Commons food services, said that not only were there things like egg, bacon, pancake batter, and hamburger patties, on Sunday afternoons, there was frozen steaks you could grill.

You read that right. Steaks. On the meal plan. Combine that with the aforementioned Whataburger (Sbisa page), and wow, it must have been great back then. Meanwhile, somewhere along the lines (early 2000s), Chick-fil-A Express was added to the upper level.



However, in 2004, the Commons Dining Center was closed permanently, partly from the fact that it people ate there less, and partly due to the fact that it was not up to code.

The eating areas on the upper level at the time included Chick-fil-A, Stone Willy's, and Common Demoninator Deli. A "temporary" food court was added at a cost of $50,000, which added Common Grounds, Commons Xpress (which served hot entrees, side dishes, salads, and cookies, not unlike the old Commons Dining Center), and Olla Roja. Apparently, there was "not enough room" for the food court to accommodate students, however.

This was fixed in 2005, when the Commons dining area was renovated, featuring Olla Roja, Zatarain's Louisiana Café, Sargino's, and Common Denominator Deli. Sargino's replaced Stone Willy's in 2005, and initially featured salads and pasta in addition to pizza. It's presumed that Zatarain's replaced the Commons Xpress line.

It says in the article that the new Commons had "lot of color and excitement", maybe from the tables. My jaw dropped the first time I read that as I couldn't believe that those tables had been any newer than 1998 (and that's pushing it). While I do love older things on campus, I prefer period pieces (the old MSC before it was butchered, Chemistry Building '72, Zachry, etc.) rather than things that look dated from day one. The expansion of the food court to modern standards when they converted the "TV rooms" into additional food court space, but they didn't even take the signage off.



The eateries had different sizes than before. Since the modern Sargino's (mentioned in the above linked article) lacked the pasta and salads, I'm guessing the 2005 remodel downsized it. Around this time, Common Grounds moved to the basement and the Tomato Bar, a pasta/sandwich/salad place opened in the basement as well. The Tomato Bar was opened in 2007, aimed at providing healthier alternatives to the usual gamut of pizza and hamburgers. This opened in spring 2007, and was a far cry from even Oodles of Noodles or Baby Greens based on reports. Like the successor food joints upstairs, you could pick your salad ingredients or pasta ingredients beforehand (instead of just asking for them cafeteria-style), and they even had things like artichoke hearts as a salad ingredient.

By 2008 more changes had taken place, Zatarain's, as you can see in the picture that I had from the Commons Main Level map has the same Zatarain's logo you see on boxes of Zatarain's stuff, except they had a whole restaurant, which I can't find anything else on any Zatarain's Louisiana Café. Maybe they got in trouble for use of the name? It and Olla Roja closed around that time (Olla Roja had two other places on campus at that point, so no tears were to be shed yet). It was in fall 2008 that the Tomato Bar closed, because of (you guessed it) health code violations, meaning not much had changed since they closed down the Commons Dining Center. To make up for the loss of the Tomato Bar, a new eatery was open in the Commons Food Court: The Tomato Bar Express, which offered two lines, salad and pasta. These replaced Olla Roja and Zatarain's, though Zatarain's didn't even make it until 2008.

The eatery below was around in the 2006-2007 era, and I have heard nothing about it online except for a few references from the dining website (archived). As tasty as fish is, I can see why Spearfish flopped in the Commons food court and was forgotten.


Meanwhile, where Commons Grounds relocated to, a lounge opened up in the basement with Common Grounds and "Jalapeños Burritos y Mas" on one side and Tomato Bar to the back, the latter of which closed when Choral Activities gutted the area for the MSC renovation. I'm not sure what will happen when it reopens. Somewhere during that time, Cabo opened for at least a semester (a test before they opened in the MSC), which unfortunately lasted less than a semester in the MSC before Compass completely ruined it.

And now to my time at A&M and a personal note: the Commons was my go-to eating place for my first semester at A&M. Having been in the post-MSC era and the post-Whataburger in the Underground era, the Commons has been there for me, where my diet consisted of every eating place available Sargino's pizza (greasy but delicious), Common Denominator (which was my least favorite), Oodles of Noodles (a lot of food, but my interested waned over time--this was the old pasta line of TBE), Jalapeño's (never disappointed), Common Grounds (coffee and ice cream, but never for lunch), Chick-fil-A (always a favorite), and Baby Greens (the salad line--I tried healthy eating, and that worked for a while, except one time I got food sickness from it and never went back). In August 2012, disastrous changes had affected The Commons thanks to outsourcing: Sargino's had changed their recipe and was now self-serve (blaargh), Oodles of Noodles and Baby Greens had gotten decor updates (along with Sargino's, as well) and renamed "Pasta Fork" and "Crisp", respectively. And due to the Compass changeover, prices went up all around. In the basement, going down the stairs and going straight back, you can see The Tomato Bar, gated off but with decor intact. Will it ever reopen? Probably not. Jalapeños became Saboroso, as well.

In winter 2012, the Commons bike racks were finally replaced.

The convenience store mentioned, which was originally a self-branded operation (Common Market, then Commons C-Store) until the late 2000s when Rattler's rebranded it, where it functioned much like a regular Rattler's, except with a lack of alcohol or cigarettes (and that was before smoking was heavily restricted on campus), though it does sell condoms. In August 2012, it "de-branded", becoming "Outtakes" (much like the Sbisa Rattler's), though restored its name within a few months. It is a Rattler's once more, where you can get some of the cheap coffee (relatively, of course) and other snacks.

Unfortunately, due to Sargino's being ruined and the whole fact that the Commons was often dirty and crowded, I didn't go to it at all in spring 2013. Maybe they reopened the other part of the basement. Regardless, I'd still like to go to the Commons again and take pictures.

This post was a spin-off of the linked post as shown here.

UPDATE 9/29/13: A few things have changed. Sargino's looks edible again (but not the same, never the same), Cabo is back in the basement (fake Chartwells burritos Cabo, not the real Cabo--and now it's no longer MSC exclusive anyway), Common Grounds is closed (a few signs remain and the lights remain on, but it's gutted completely), the Tomato Bar area is still closed, the place where Choral Activities is still office space, and the tables and chairs were finally replaced with tasteful wooden furniture. The sad thing is, it's rumored that the Corps will be "taking over" the Southside dorms, and the Commons isn't even unique among dorms anymore, with new amenities at Hullabaloo Hall making the Commons seem ugly and dated (it only took them four decades).

UPDATE 10/7/13: In the process of talking about The Tomato Bar and another feature of The Commons that has since departed...small updates will be in the process here...

UPDATE 3/24/15: For more on the Tomato Bar and some other photos from 2015, check out The Commons Companion.

UPDATE 6/12/18: I had actually planned to rewrite this back in 2017 (I had a job at A&M, making visiting easy) but there were some problems with it. First, it would've completely changed the tone of the article as The Commons, well, it was ruined. The stairs were still there but it was gutted and turned into sort of a discount MSC, with a large "Aggie Express" convenience store (woefully overpriced, even by convenience store standards, and understocked) on the first floor and a large cafeteria in the basement once more (Chartwells dreck)...and that was it as far as food options went. The dorms are being renovated with huge HVAC units on top, ruining their exterior aesthetics as far as I'm concerned (I'm a purist) and no doubts they look different on the inside as well. Then I lost that job at A&M, ending plans to not only kick the rewrites into high gear but also because I had plans to add other TAMU buildings, as I was bitter and depressed about the whole affair (I mean, I put the update on ice for the better part of a year). It really was too bad that they lost the Rattlers' license...I know that it was unlikely that Sunoco would keep the (non-fuel) campus stores but it would've been so much cooler to have a full Stripes there, one with Laredo Taco Company (enough room) and real Slurpees (courtesy of 7-Eleven).


Monday, December 3, 2012

Sbisa Dining Hall

Sbisa, in modern times but prior to the renovation of the plaza (Aggiemap.tamu.edu)


233 Houston Street

This post was one of the last posts to receive a big update (October 2014) so a lot of this information is current and I didn't need to do much when I did some minor updates in May 2015. Note that as I'm no longer a student, this information will go out of date, so I'll need your help (email) to update this.

As of 2019, some of the changes that have happened since this was last published include Lime being replaced with a Chartwells concept, Copperhead Jack's. Additionally, I express in the current version hopes that Rattlers' (misspelled as "Rattler's" in this article) would return to campus, but that's obviously NEVER going to happen since the chain was sold to the parent company of Stripes, which in turn sold the convenience stores to 7-Eleven.

This post is on Sbisa Dining Hall (and if we go by the pronunciation of Sbisa's name, it's "spee-za", not "sa-beeza" as is commonly used.

After the fire at the Mess Hall, at some point long before any current attending Aggie or faculty was born, a decision was made to not rebuild on the site and build an entirely new dining hall a block away.

Sbisa in years past. The Corps crowd is replaced by the Northside dorm crowd, which is completely different.


Sbisa Dining Hall is located at the corner of Ross and Houston, where the current building has been there for nearly a century. Named after Austrian-born chef Bernard Sbisa (the head chef of A&M), it was built in the classic European style that dominated campus in those days (regrettably most of those have been demolished). I don't have pictures of the old Sbisa Hall (though its incarnation in the 1940s can be seen in the film We've Never Been Licked), and I did manage to snap this picture in Military Walk, showing a much smaller Sbisa and a railroad spur from the Ross end, roughly where the "back entrance" (near the C-store) of the Underground is. It should be noted that Sbisa wasn't named Sbisa originally until well after Sbisa's death: he died in 1928 (shortly after the dining hall completed a physical expansion in 1925, which was known as Sbisa Annex for a long time) but it was still called the Mess Hall for a few decades afterward (or do I have my references wrong?).


Because there are so many facets of Sbisa I want to focus on, this post is broken up into multiple parts.

The Main Dining Hall (Sbisa Dining Center)

In 1954, Sbisa was renovated (and not for the last time), adding new lighting, new décor, and air conditioning for the first time. It was likely at this time that the plumbing and electrical work was overhauled (also not for the last time). At the time, meals at Sbisa were still served family-style.

A further detail is elaborated in Aggieland '74 in which it stated that the dining rooms had different purposes, for breakfast, one served a full breakfast, the other was a continental breakfast (which included doughnuts, though I'm guessing they were cake donuts). Similarly, the lunch line featured a hot lunch while the other offered soup and sandwiches. Sure, it all sounds pretty reasonable, but Sbisa and Duncan were still the "main places" to eat meals (the four "Snack Bars" and Rumours were coming in at this time). It's also possible that the "third dining room" was in the lower level, which would eventually be the Underground.

In 1975, Sbisa went through another renovation, which would be for the next two and a half decade.

The new 1975 Sbisa (completed in 1976) introduced a few innovations to Sbisa that would still carry over to modern times, including a wheelchair ramp and a conveyor belt system to send trays back in for washing. The renovation removed walls from the dining rooms, with two dining areas (one reference said three, however), one of which served fast food (pizza, soups/sandwiches, hamburgers). The ceiling level was dropped as well.

The article I derived this from (courtesy John Ellisor) has one of the first mentions of the "Peniston Cafeteria", which would be the Underground many years later. Unfortunately, mention of that is rare since punching that in on TexAgs would censor it (the Scunthorpe problem in action). Jay Peniston was the TAMU dining supervisor in the 1940s and 1950s, and oversaw the 1950s renovation of Sbisa and Duncan.

By the late 1990s, the HVAC system (some of which hadn't been changed since the 1950s system under Peniston), sewer system, and décor were out of date, and Sbisa closed in December 1999 to perform major renovations on sewer and HVAC work.

During closure, there was an option to get food, a temporary area that's gone by both "Fish Pond Outbound" and "Sbisa Hut".

When it reopened in fall 2000, it featured two "areas" to get food with seating between them. There was the "Market", which offers a few salad bars, an omelet place, and a few cafeteria style lines (usually with freshly carved meats). The other side of "new" Sbisa featured several mini-lines clustered around the seating area (which was the reincarnation of the "fast foods" portion and the creation of a new main dining room), the first known "Sargino's" on campus (did you know it's a pun on "Sergeant"?), which was later renamed "Pizza & Pasta Station", probably because the P&PS pizza was the worst pizza on campus (maybe not so much with the service provider change--everything might taste the same now. While this negatively affected the pizzerias in the Commons and Ag Cafe, Sbisa's may have benefitted). "Dessert Center" (formerly "Sweet Traditions") had things like both fruit and Blue Bell ice cream. "Fish Fountain" was the drink center but renamed later for obvious reasons. The only things that still carried their original names up before Compass performed a cheap redecoration: "Ag's Diner" (hot dogs, hamburgers) and "World Cuisine" (Mexican or Oriental). There was also a soup station, and at one time a cook-your-own station...although there was still a waffle maker, I think the CYO had long been replaced with gluten free options. Some parts were served buffet style, some parts were cafeteria style.

I've pulled up a few pictures (via Google search) that show Sbisa after renovation, but none before. Also note the tables: they're not like that anymore, by early 2012 it was mostly cafeteria-style tables, which flip-flopped in later years (the cafeteria tables disappeared again after Chartwells took over).




In September 2012, I returned to Sbisa to find it oddly changed. All signage was gone: the neon "Market" sign, all the graphics and lettering gone, the price board, even the "no taking food out" signage. The food quality was altered due to Compass (no more "TruMoo" chocolate milk, though the nickname "Sa-grease-a" was less of an issue) as well. Also removed were the long, cafeteria tables, returning to individual tables. This disappointed the dorm groups, who would sit at those tables. A few months later, the signage was back, but only generic red Helvetica lettering (as slightly different food lines). What the heck was Compass thinking?

This was a time of much anger, as the food/price quality was worst and due to a maligned meal plan, people were forced to stand in long lines at peak hours, routinely stretching outside. One planned change of having an entrance at Houston Avenue never happened.

In summer, Sbisa was totally gutted again, losing the circa 2000 layout and the joke of a redecoration put there a year or so prior.

The new layout would alter the lines. Rather than the two "areas", there was one common food dining area with several kiosks to get food. Part of the reconfiguration involved some new eateries accessible from Houston Street. These included Lime Fresh Mexican Grill, which is actually not a concept from Compass (as I was previously told, or at least led to believe), and actually has locations mostly in Florida (and a few in Chile, even) and Smashburger. Smashburger is an actual chain. More on these are described later in the post.

Through the doors of Sbisa. Note the long lines.

Taken near the entrance of Lime. The dining hall originally went well past this mark, but this is an emergency exit now. Patrons of Lime/Smashburger and Sbisa can see each other, but you can't actually go through this door.


One of the new features of Sbisa (which I actually got to eat in ultimately, and the food was decent, but sadly Compass lacked the great dessert options the original Sbisa had) was a second level accessed via a slightly curving staircase. Since the renovation only took place over the course of the summer, I'm sure they re-used a lot of the 2000 infrastructure which was still up to code, but I'm still not sure on the added second level loft. Is the century-old building really that sturdy, or did the extensive 2000 renovation make that theoretically possible?



Houston Street Side


As seen above, we have the current tenants, Einstein Brothers, Smashburger, Lime, and the underground. As mentioned before, Lime and Smashburger were created in the 2014 renovation.

Up until its closure in January 2013 (a previous version of this page reported 2012, that's wrong, I apologize, it was a typo), Bernie's Place opened at sometime in the 1990s (or even the late 1980s, or whenever the new metal roof was added). It featured pizza and pizza rolls (really good pizza rolls, apparently) in the early 2000s, but by the end of the decade, it primarily offered sandwiches and wraps, changing names over time, becoming "Bernie's Café Espress-O" after the Sbisa renovations circa '99-'00, and then eventually Bernie's Café.

One day, it was spotted on the Restaurant Report Card that Einstein Bros. Bagels was listed in Sbisa's address, which, although it would be preferable if we got a real one (i.e.: off-campus), turned out to be not going in the Underground where bbqs was, but where Bernie's was, marking the death of the former pizza emporium. Einstein Brothers opened in February 2013. Before mention of Bernie's disappeared from A&M's dining website, I grabbed a copy of the Bernie's menu.

As for Smashburger and Lime, they are accessed through a new interior corridor with a restroom and a window into Sbisa (it's emergency exit only). I was looking forward to Smashburger because the menu actually included beer, but apparently so did Lime (why can't I have a cerveza with my tacos?), and obviously neither did Smashburger. I'm not sure why it's gone, especially since as stated in the MSC article, beer was supposedly considered but removed because of the MSC's memorial status, and it's very very close to Northgate, which does have beer.

Lime Fresh Mexican Grill is good, and I was the very first customer there (got my picture taken, but it's not posted). It's not cheap but it is very good, enough for me to get my "I want Taco Bell style tacos but not actually Taco Bell" tacos. I have since learned that in the late 2010s it closed and became "Copperhead Jack's", a Chartwells brand, and given my opinions of Chartwells in this post, I think it speaks for itself.

Smashburger is alright as far as burgers go. It's got soft egg buns like Harvey Washbanger's (at least I think they're egg buns), fries are lackluster, and it will do in a "I've got a feeling for burgers" pinch.

The Underground

The Underground was opened sometime in the 1970s as a straight cafeteria that served "the same stuff as Sbisa" (that would be Peniston Cafeteria, of course--now you can see why that's not found on TexAgs), but it wasn't called the Underground at that point, however, by the late 1980s, even though it didn't have Chick-fil-A or anything at that point, it was called the "Sbisa Underground Deli", although in 1988 it was known as (get this) "Underground Railroad". Whether you think is offensive, silly, or maybe a bit of both, it was scrapped after not too long. I found this ad in a 1988 Football Program.

Betcha you didn't hear that on TexAgs, either.

The Underground opened in its current form circa 1993 or 1994 in its current phase: there were actually surveys done (back when surveys were done through students and not email spam) about what students would like to see in the Underground. It was quite an opportunity to get fast food on the meal plan, which was a huge deal at first to many students (Chick-fil-a and Whataburger on the meal plan was nothing to laugh at). One of the original tenants was a Taco Bueno (a limited-menu walk-up one--and not a Taco Bell, which some accounts have), which sadly closed in 1999, the roster since 2001 has had Whataburger, Chick-fil-A, Se Wrappé (A&M concept), Alonti Deli (apparently a chain?), and Colombo yogurt. One source as to when the "new" Underground opened is the official CFA website, which claims it first opened February 20, 1995. Another sign of when it opened was the fact that Whataburger closed after the fall 2004 semester after its lease lapsed and they didn't want to renew it.

I also captured this article from Google's cache. It was from January 2001, and recently taken offline. This may be the only chance to see it:



Texas A&M board plans expand

Published on AllBusiness.com

The number of students on meal plans this year at Texas A&M Univ. in College Station has jumped 5%-6%, says dir. Ron Beard, who expects it to rise more when a new dining center opens in the spring.

"Most of the increase is due to the huge flexibility offered through our Outbound program," he says. The program began in Jan. 1998 to offer take-out meals from board-operations. In fall 1999, it was expanded to two cash-operations "and was a smashing success overnight."

Fully rolled-out: When Sbisa, the campus' largest dining hall, closed a year ago, the program was further developed to all cash operations in order to continue providing students with a wide variety of food.

Outbound offerings vary from location to location, but in each, six to eight choices are available. These range from pasta with sauce, salad, garlic bread, medium fountain drink and a dessert such as cookies or fruit, to a breakfast croissant or sandwich with fresh fruit and a drink such as juice, milk or Starbucks coffee.

The latest renovation being undertaken at the 43,000-enrollment university is at Sbisa Dining Hall, which was built in 1911-12. "This will be the Taj Mahal of f/s in the U.S.," says Beard (see Oct. 15, 2000, FSD, p. 42).

Basement brands: Sbisa's basement foodcourt will remain virtually unchanged, although a local franchised brand will be switched to a new in-house concept: Se Wrappe, featuring wraps and "Mexican burritos as big as your arm." Also featured are Chick-fil-A, Whataburger and alonte deli. [sic]

The lower level also houses a smoothie bar and a remodeled c-store. "We cut it in half to add 50 more seats for the foodcourt," says Beard, who says he feeds 2,500 students in daily in this unit alone. "We'll offer the same variety, but will just stack foods higher and restock more often. The c-store is still pretty big (approx. 1,200 sq. ft.) so I don't expect this to hurt us at all."



(The same article mentions that A&M was eyeing a "third Chick-fil-A" during this time, which probably was the Ag Café)

I'm not sure what they mean by Outbound options: is it another name for the late Maroon Plate Special, or was it a way to export food out of Sbisa? (Either way, there are still illegitimate "exports" from Sbisa) [SEE COMMENTS ON BOTTOM - Ed.]

One of the big changes of the Underground and Einstein's above it was done in the renovations. I was surprised to find that after the Underground was built and before the renovations, the Underground had zero handicap access whatsoever (I suppose that it's possible to get around through back entrances and what have you, but that's not exactly accessible). It was after the renovation, then, that the maze of handicap ramps were added to the side of the building, one leading up to Bernie's (later Einstein's, and until the 2014 renovations, the only thing up there). The 2000 renovations would add a shelter and a patio area near Bernie's. You can read what the original roster of the Underground was, and there were six spots: Chick-fil-a, Whataburger, Taco Bueno, Colombo Yogurt (I think that's what it says), Alonti Deli, and something else (I'd like to say that it's the convenience store, but I don't think so--I think it's a coffee brand). If you can identify this mystery, please leave a comment! [UPDATE 5/28/15: It is indeed a coffee brand, see comments below]



Over time, the yogurt place added smoothies (renaming to "Ultimate Fruit Sensations") and by the end of the decade, coffee (renaming to "Degrees"), at some point Alonti Deli became Pickles Deli, and Se Wrappé was stripped out for a barbecue place (01 Old Armydillo's like the old MSC place, renamed to bbqs sometime after 2008). Sadly, the Whataburger in the Underground would depart by the end of 2004, with the eatery "temporarily" replaced by The Other Burger. Over seven years later, The Other Burger was "temporarily" still there. There's also a convenience store in the basement. Despite what the article says, it seems cramped, small, and dirty and was last branded as a Rattler's, but in August 2012, it became "Outtakes", a house brand owned by Compass. However, Rattler's soon "re-took" the convenience store, including a short but awkward time when the convenience stores didn't accept Dining Dollars. Other changes in the Underground about that time was that Degrees closed and was replaced by a Smoothie King. I never liked Smoothie King, having used a coupon at Parkway Square years ago. Still, I appreciate it in spirit, as it as another branded option. Pickles Deli was now Mondo Subs (having now turned into a plain, generic sub sandwich place), The Other Burger was now The 3rd Degree (with a substantially reduced menu and quality, not that TOB was top-notch), and Chick-fil-A is still there. bbqs was gone, however--sad, but almost makes sense: it was designed to replace 01 Old Armydillo's, but since barbecue has returned to the MSC (as "Smokin'"), it rendered bbqs obsolete. After some hectic times where none of the places (save for Smoothie King) were open after lunch hours to my dismay, in fall 2013 a few new changes shook up the Underground.

I do have some pictures of the Underground I took a few years back soon after the Compass takeover. Note that 3rd Degree still pays homage to its predecessor eatery.





One of the reasons I despised Compass was because I despised Mondo Subs. While at the Pickles Deli locations, a chicken caesar wrap was pretty good, Mondo Subs managed to screw it up in every single way. The chicken was flavorless, the lettuce was white, the tortilla was old, the caesar dressing tasted awful, and the parmesan cheese had the look and feel of toenail clippings. I should never have to describe food with the phrase "toenail clippings". For a while, the bbqs vacancy was rumored to be a Denny's Fresh Express but that never happened. The bbqs vacancy was filled with 3rd Degree while the old Whataburger location became Papa John's, which I was excited about, but instead of having boxes of pizza, they're offering 8" personal pizzas (three flavors and not even Supreme), and didn't even taste really like Papa John's, they just ran them through a conveyer-belt style cooking thing and I think the pizzas were undercooked (there was a narrow window when they were cool enough to eat but just within an hour it became inedible). The lines also became really long during the Compass mandatory meal plans days, which is why I ended up stopped going to the Underground altogether.

In fall 2014, as part of the Sbisa renovations, the Underground was renovated again. The new renovation opened it up a lot more and gave the brands larger and more attractive storefronts. There was still Smoothie King, of course, but while it did change it to pay-at-the-counter (like a traditional mall food court), which eliminated the walls, but reduced the food court's store count.

The old Chick-fil-a front became a large wall with a Chick-fil-A Express logo (and I was told that the CFA would become full line), the Papa John's now faced toward the entrance, previously, that used to be the pick-up line for the burgers (which was walled up when The Other Burger closed), a new place called "Houston St. Subs", which was a Compass/Chartwells brand.

I never ate at Houston Street Subs because I had little reason to believe it isn't a repackaged "Mondo Subs", the aforementioned "toenail clippings wrap" place mentioned before. It also lacks a fifth option, which eliminates burgers (Smashburger is above).

The bathrooms pre-renovation were terrible, there was a urinal, toilet with door, and sink, but this was cramped and likely not ADA compliant, so that was altered to get rid of the walls and just make it single-use.

Going around to the back, the convenience store is still the same (untouched, really, including the same old floor tiles), but it also lost the Rattler's again (though having lost and re-gained it, I wouldn't put it past Rattler's to re-take the convenience store, though as of early 2015 this has yet to happen. The Rattler's at Hullabaloo Hall and the Commons were also genericized.

Sbisa mostly serves the Northside dorms, with the once-common "'Bisa Ball" fights (mostly constructed of the napkins) among the Northside dorms, which have fierce rivalries (subcultures, gotta love 'em). I never really liked Sbisa's main dining hall anyway: mostly because of aforementioned buffet food, and I felt like what I was eating was both bad and bad for me. That and the folding chairs near the dessert area/pizza area were awful. Coupled with the rising prices and the general creepiness of the place (that's Northside for you) caused me to avoid the main Sbisa Dining Hall.

Of course, with the numerous changes to Sbisa, Old Army hates it, but that's to be expected, right?

Here's a photo from c. 2001 (official marketing shot) of the once-generic "Underground Market".


More recently (spring 2014), however, I managed to get a picture of when something on the awning changed, revealing the original brand. It did briefly go back to Rattler's again, then "The Aggie Express" or something when it lost the branding again. I hope that Rattler's can get it back, or some other convenience store brand.


Other Places

Not all of Sbisa is used for eating. There's an entrance on the southeast side (to the right of the main entrance) but I'm not so clear on the history of it (as of 2014, it's the "Global Supply Chain Laboratory", but in Spring 2012 was offices for something nuclear-related, if I recall correctly).

For more places to eat on campus, both current and former, check out Aggie Food, or see specific pages, like the MSC article or what we have on The Commons.

updated May 2015

Comments

These were salvaged when I changed formats in 2019 and kept here for posterity, as well as referencing parts above.

Jenny said...

Lots of memories of The Underground, but I was a Southsider and never really into Sbisa though.

For the record, Outbounds were the pre-dining dollars options for using your meal plans at the non-cafeteria dining options. They were good basically everywhere, including the C-stores and you had to use them or lose them before the end of the semester.
December 3, 2012 at 1:54 PM
Jenny said...

I was typing a comment and it deleted itself when I logged in. I was a Southsider and wasn't a big fan of Sbisa (only went when my Northside friends made me). But I did frequent the underground. Lots of memories there.

For the record, Outbounds were the pre-dining dollars option for using your meal plan on non-cafeteria style dining options. You could use them anywhere for set meals or up to a certain dollar amount at the C-store. They were still around in 2004 when I got to A&M, but were phased out at some point while I was there (I only had a meal plan freshman year so I don't remember exactly when). They were use it or lose it by the end of the semester. They were also way overpriced. Even the largest meal plan had you paying $6-7/outbound for usually $4-5 of food. It was even worse at the C-store as I think you'd only get $2 credit. We'd use them to buy everything, you could share them and buy stuff for friends or combine them and at the end of the semester you'd see people seeking out hungry folks to help them use up their leftover outbounds. Corps folks were required to buy the biggest plan so they always had a ton. Hope that was helpful! :)
December 3, 2012 at 2:01 PM
Matt Harvey said...

"Outbounds" was before my time. When I first started at A&M, it was "Lagniappe" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagniappe for the definition). Then around 96 they changed it to "Aggie Meal Credit".
October 8, 2013 at 11:43 AM
Anonymous said...

I lived in McInnis my freshman year in 10-11. Yep, last class in that crappy dorm. As you can imagine, I was frequently in Sbisa/Underground. I loved Sbisa, wasn't always good but when they offered good food I couldn't stop eating. The pizza was never that great. I think they made a small change in the pizza that fall. The burger place still had someone taking orders, usually the same apathetic guy. My only gripe was weekend service was abysmal, very limited menu and poor food. Underground wasn't open at all and the Commons was a hike. MSC renovation was in full swing. No other options for on campus students. I remember going back once fall semester of my sophomore year (2011) and being really disappointed with the food. It had really declined in quality. I don't remember exactly when but the burger place started a touch menu to order which I liked. But eventually that got replaced to just someone bringing out already cooked patties and fries. That was the end of my satisfaction with Sbisa burgers. I returned to Sbisa a couple times til graduation in May. Most recent was in February. Quality was way off. No more long pasta line. Pizza was weird. Dessert offerings were limited. Just seemed like a sad place. MSC food court may have had something to do with that.

As for the underground, I remember the old burger place and BBQ place (which I always thought was too expensive). The burgers reminded me of Whataburger, too much mustard and chunky lettuce. I still remember waiting to get a burger on that open side. Like Sbisa, seemed underground slid after my freshman year. Burger place was lower quality and no more BBQ.I resented that it was now open on Saturday. I would've gotten CFA every other saturday. I always liked that one more than the Commons one anyway.

Overall, being a little sentimental and prone to reminiscing, I'm not thrilled about all the changes around that area. You can stand on the sidewalk from Sbisa (well, the parking lot across the street) to Hullabaloo Hall and no matter which direction you face, something has been changed. Brand new dorm, repaved (and I think slightly altered layout) lot 30 and 77. New little recreation area to replace the demolished bb court between Walton and McInnis which also got rid of the eye sore grassy section that was mainly dirt. Everything that happened with Fish Pond and Ross Street. The whole redoing of University Drive as well as the closing off of Houston/College Main to cars. Granted, a lot of these are improvements, especially with the roads. Having just bikes and pedestrians crossing University is a lot safer. The drunk wall outside the bars helps. I can't get over the fact that they moved Fish Pond but the road is in much better shape and better suited for bus traffic. I remember when between H2O fountain and Spence street was gated off. Now it's great to use after hours as an alternative to University and it's lights.
October 13, 2014 at 10:38 PM
Pseudo3D said...

Even before the outsourcing, the pizza at Sbisa tasted worse than Sargino's in the Commons (MSC was closed at the time). That was in spring 2012, first semester at TAMU. The burger place at least had orders ready, and had the patties out in the Chartwells incarnation, buffet style. Gross. That's what I remember at least. They had also weird stuff after the Chartwells incarnation, like a soup that as my Northside dining compatriots (all strangers) commented that the dark, greenish soup tasted like it had a dirty sock marinating in it all day.

In fall 2012, the burger place in the Underground changed again as well, and wasn't even cooking burgers fresh anymore. There wasn't a line like before...TOB wasn't anything special but definitely still an option.

Like I've said before, the MSC food court was very good when it reopened, but it was ruined after the outsourcing, with every thing that I liked about it having been altered in some way.
October 14, 2014 at 8:27 AM
Anonymous said...

Howdy...love the blog.

The coffee place you are trying to figure out in the original Underground was "Papanicholas" (not sure of the spelling)...as you can almost make out from the photo you posted.
March 19, 2015 at 11:41 AM
Rob said...

I was searching for some info about Bernie's Place. You said you were sure if it started in the '90s or late '80s. All I can say is that it was definitely there when I started school in 1989. I don't remember anybody saying it was brand new, but that certainly could've been it's first year.

And yes... the pizza and pizza rolls were great. It sounds so sad that all of this has been outsourced and cheapened now. All of it was actually good food back in my day. I was on campus last year and excitedly grabbed a meal at Sbisa. That excitement was gone before I even took my half-filled tray to the conveyor belt. :(
February 3, 2016 at 11:01 PM

Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Culpepper Plaza / Central Station

Signage and Chick-fil-A, May 2019

Culpepper Plaza (renamed as Central Station following a 2007 renovation) opened in March 1976 with a Safeway (later AppleTree) and a full collection of other retail stores. Even into the 1990s it had large stores like Weiner's, Eckerd, and AppleTree, but by the early 2000s these were gone, prompting a large-scale remodel starting in late 2006.

je of Southern Retail did send me a screencap of a video taped at some point in the 1990s; regrettably, it's a photo of a television screen and poor quality. You can see that here. Below is an ad of Culpepper Plaza circa 1988. It lists Quick as a Flash, which is strange since not even the parking lot is connected. It shows some things I can't place, including a popcorn shop (in the 1990s, there was a bagel shop), Starships & Dragons (comics and collectibles?), Games Galore (an arcade) and Singer Sewing Center.


I've created a list of tenants from directory listings and others, but it's far from complete—lots of stores and restaurants aren't even on here. Starting from the block next to 1503 Texas Avenue South we have the following...

1505A - As far as back as 1981, this was the local Bennigan's restaurant. I never ate at Bennigan's, but it had an old mural (of the logo, nothing special) facing Texas Avenue. It survived the Central Station remodeling, but it closed in July 2008 when the parent company imploded. Later, it became an AT&T store, which it is today. This was one of the stores on the "smaller strip" and facing Texas Avenue.

1505B - This location has been serving Asian cuisine for years. Currently (since 2021) it is "F&F Japanese Grill" (Fast & Furious Japanese Grill). From December 2015 to 2019 this was He's Cafe, Ping's Buffet from 2005 to 2015, China Wok Restaurant from 1991 to 2005, and prior to that was "Steamboat Singapore". (H/T to Andrew Y.)

1507 - From 1979 to October 2005 this was Swensen's. Swensen's was a great ice cream parlor (they also had a few food items like hamburgers and hot dogs) at its peak, they had things like kids' meals in paper foldout pink Cadillacs, a "clown face" ice cream using an inverted cone as the hat, and a bunch of other things. It also gets coverage in the 1979 TAMU yearbook, a two-page spread!

After a short time as Little Blue Heron, a steakhouse/seafood restaurant, it became Firehouse Subs in December 2008.

1509 - From summer 2009 to late summer 2014, this was the location of Spoons Yogurt (the FIRST Spoons in the chain). It looks like it was part of Swensen's originally (the space, that is). Spoons was great while it lasted and looked to be a growing chain. Under the name "3 Spoons Yogurt", locations opened as far away as Clemson, SC, Lawrence, KS, and Knoxville, TN, but they all failed. Only the locations built in Texas (Huntsville, Waco) did well and remained open. Spoons closed in fall 2014 and became Galaxy Ice Cream & Bubble Tea (a/k/a Galaxy Tea House), but Spoons Yogurt reopened in the space by late September 2015...and restored the cafe to its original appearance before closing for good in early 2020. By spring 2021 it became the current tenant "Rush Bowls".

1511 - Current location of the UPS Store. This was Games Galore back in the late 1980s and early 1990s, and in the late 1990s/early 2000s was a Mail Boxes Etc. store. I don't know what used to be here. In 1980 this was "Mother Nature Home of Nutrition".

1513 - This was "Schmaltz's Sandwich Shop" from 1980 to 1996, though I don't know where it fits in exactly. It was Dollar Tree from 1996 to 2007. Because of this, I would assume that the current "Eyemart" is where Dollar Tree was previously.

1515 - Holding the address of also 1517 (both the same tenant), this was Godfather's Pizza from 1980 to 1988. Eventually (a "Luvz Jewelers" was in 1517 in the mid-1990s) this became of Muldoon's Coffee House (at 1517) from fall 2009 to fall 2014. Following this it became Eyemart.

1519 - Supercuts has been here since 1989.

1521 - Pancho's Mexican Buffet was here from early 1992 to around 1999. I never liked it because of the large, creepy "sun masks" hanging above the dining area. Los Cucos replaced in 1999, and prior to Pancho's was Cow Hop Junction (a spin-off of the Northgate restaurant for more casual diners), and before that (1982-1987) was Texas Tumbleweed. A 1980 directory lists "Little Mexico" for this tenant.

Now we move on to the 1600 building, starting at the side closest to Dominik.

1601 - At the very end of Culpepper Plaza, this space has traditionally housed a large restaurant though sadly it hasn't been a restaurant for a number of years. From what I can piece together, It was home to Rosewood Junction from 1977 to 1981, Padre Cafe in 1984, Jumping Jack Flash in 1987 (very brief), Creole Cafe – 1987 to 1988, Taco Tempo – 1988 (if opened, only for a month), and Mama's Pizza in 1989-1991 (relocated from 1037 Texas Avenue). From 1992 to 1999, this was Bullwinkle's Grill & Bar was located at the very end of Culpepper Plaza, closest to Dominik Road. I do vaguely remember visiting it when I was younger, and it's still talked about on TexAgs sometimes.
In November 1999 City Crab Seafood opened but it was gone within a year. It was "The Pour House" in early 2003 and Margarita Rocks (a seafood restaurant, in fact), which operated from 2003 to August 2009. The restaurant was replaced by Katsuya in 2011. At this point, I'm not sure if it opened. I read that a kitchen fire early on ended it, but the source has been discredited. Either way, the sign remained up for another year. Sadly, this also meant the legacy of restaurants here would come to an end. TITLE Boxing Club, the first non-restaurant in the space, operated from late 2014 to early 2020 (or very late 2019), and a few years later, after the 2020-2021 issues got squared away, The Cut Axe Throwing opened in around December 2021.

1607 - 1980 directory lists this as "That Place II". I think it was some sort of hair salon. In 2011 this was Total Tan and after a brief period of vacancy became Apex Salon and Cuttery. In 2019, Funky Cheveux moved from Post Oak Square.

1611 - H&R Block has been here since 1992 (there's mostly vacancies in this stretch, have been here for years). They also occupy 1609.

1613 - From early 2012 to early 2015 this was Grateful Dog Self-Serve Dog Wash. Despite constantly advertising on TexAgs, I was not sold on the idea of a dog wash place--with all the effort it takes to load a filthy dog into your car and pay someone for use with presumably hoses and soap, why not just use your hose at home? The place officially closed because the owners were moving back to Dallas (if I read correctly) but I may have a theory on the REAL reason it closed...it just wasn't enough to make ends meet. Two years later the space was reopened as Sweet Horse Bubble Tea, a "dessert café" with rolled ice cream and bubble tea. Historically, this was once part of (store space-wise) Lewis Shoe Store back in the 1980s (even in 1980). I don't have information on what it was prior to that, I know that it was one of the many vacant stores on that end of the shopping center.

Sweet Horse closed sometime around 2020, not too long after a second location in H-E-B Jones Crossing closed (probably a reason for the parent company's demise—the H-E-B location did a terrible business). This was replaced with GLGT Bubble Tea (Good Luck Good Time).

1617 - In the mid-1990s, home to U.S. Black Belt Academy, and was vacant for a VERY long time before Tanaka Ramen opened in 2017.

1619 - Coach's Liquor moved here in 1997 from 210 George Bush Drive (which was renovated into Aggieland Outfitters). In spring 2014 the store closed, and In October 2017 it reopened as Honolulu Poke House (which closed in January 2021). From 1985 to 1994 this was Lippman Music which moved to Northgate. Before that it was "Animal World Too" (spin-off of a long-standing Manor East Mall store) from 1978 to 1985. The Manor East Mall Animal World ended up lasting into the very early 2000s just before the mall closed for good.

1621 - In 1980, this had been listed as "The Seat Cover". Might have been upholstery to cover chairs but I think mostly of toilet seats. Now a State Farm agent (Scot Semple).

1623 - Douglas Jewelry in 1980 and "Triple Crown Sports" in 1996. This was vacant for a while in the revived Central Station but it later became Breezesmokes (styled as breezEsmokes, but whatever), which operated from 2013 to 2015. Signature Eyebrow Threading replaced it but was also gone within a few years. In January 2024, it reopened as vegan bakery chain Cinnaholic.

The next current space is 1637, P.O.E.T.S. Billiards. The other spaces did seem to exist at one time--1625 was American Passenger Travel Agency in 1980 and Linder's High Tech Health in 1996, 1627 was Sandy's Shoes in 1980. An anonymous comment submitted in November 2014 says that her parents (store named after mother) opened the store in 1977. 1629 was Aggieland T Shirts in 1980. (Seems to be unrelated to current Aggieland Outfitters.) and 1631 was Hastings (at least back to 1979), which moved in the mid-1990s to the corner of Holleman and Texas Avenue (where it died in 2015). Much of the space it was in is now occupied by P.O.E.T.S. Billiards. P.O.E.T.S. Billiards opened in 2002. It's likely 1637 should be closer to Kohl's because there's significant vacant space between it and Painting with a Twist at 1643, though 1641 was Wyatt's Sporting Goods in 1980 and "Rick's Sporting Goods" in 1996. 1643 - Painting with a Twist is here today, a "paint-n-sip" studio. In 1980 it was Brazos Valley World of Books Shoppe.

1659 - This opened in Anna's Linens in 2008. It takes up half of the old Weiner's (see next entry). In June 2015, Anna's Linens went the way of Weiner's and closed. It is now Wally's Party Factory as of summer 2016. Within about a year, that became Party City (for reasons I'm not entirely sure of).

1661 - Houston-based Weiner's was here from 1978 to 1998. Dollar Tree moved to this location in 2007 from a different place in the strip. 1663 - This was Kids Mart from 1984 to 1996 and is the home of Cato Fashions today. Cato Fashions also seems to have absorbed the original 1665 Texas Avenue, Hallmark (Starship Hallmark, a franchise found in many Texas malls in the 1980s and 1990s). 1667 - In the late 1980s and early 1990s this was Suzanne's Shops and later the home of Brazos Running Company before it moved to the 1717 spot. It's now Grand Nail Spa. From 1980 to 1985 it was Shala's. Click for a larger picture, it is pretty small.
This is one of those 1980s clothing stores that went out of business in October 1985. I'm guessing that it died early from the oil bust fallout.

Kohl's, the main anchor of the center, is at 1701 Texas Avenue and opened September 2007 but it displaced much of the older shopping center. Stores here included Radio Shack at 1669 (as of 1980, later jumped a few places), 1703 (this was The Curiosity Shop in 1980, Career Apparel in 1996, and by 1998 Bruegger's Bagels. By 2002, it was operating as "The Bagel Station" (source: August 2002 Restaurant Report) but closed around that time.

Another demolished site was 1705 Texas Avenue. This was originally Top Drawer Pant Company (1976-1981), then Krista's Court & Casuals (1987-1988), and Floppy Joe's Software Store from 1988 to 1997.
1996 ad (source)
According to comments received (edited for clarity), "Floppy Joe's was a place that rented out mostly PC games and later some console games. You left with your rentals in a gallon size Ziploc baggie full of 3.5's. I frequented that place quite a bit, a husband and wife ran it, he was going to A&M and I believe went on to work for Dell, really cool people, but a younger guy bought the store (I think he mentioned his grandparents fronting the money), could have been a sign of the times but it did not last after that."

As an aside on Floppy Joe's, I have to wonder how that even worked, as PC games in that time had notorious copy-protection schemes that often involved looking something up in the manual or on a piece of paper, so I'm wondering if they rented out the cracked copies, which in turn could be re-copied on another floppy disk. Anyway, after Floppy Joe's it was Juice Stop (1998-1999), Muscletech (2000-2002), and Beignet City Cafe (2004-2005).

1707 was "Regan's Dept. Store" in 1980 and "Right Price" in 1996. 1709, however, was Eckerd often co-located with Safeway stores in the Houston division, and while this one was not directly adjacent (I believe Safeway/AppleTree DID have its own pharmacy) it followed the same pattern as the others. A few stand-alone CVS stores in the Houston area can trace their lineage back to these Eckerd stores. Eckerd was here from 1976 to 2000 when it built a new stand-alone store at 2411 Texas Avenue South.

Finally, 1711 was Payless ShoeSource, but it was not replaced when it was evicted. In 1980, this was the home of Carnaby Square, a women's clothing shop.
That left just three stores between the current Kohl's and the former AppleTree.

1713 - This space has flip-flopped between restaurant use and non-restaurant use. In 1980 it was Trudi's Restaurant (as per the directory) and the spot of Clothestime (in 1996), though this was a CiCi's Pizza in the late 1990s and early 2000s. Post-redevelopment, it was HobbyTown USA (relocated from the Best Buy/Barnes & Noble shopping center) until it closed in January 2016. In June 2016, Nothing Bundt Cakes replaced it.

1717 - FX Video Game Exchange moved here c. 2013 from Post Oak Mall but closed in December 2017. I did buy a few video games here used, but many of the merchandise was in poor shape (particularly strategy guides) and overpriced, and the trade-in values were absurd. After FX closed, Brazos Running Company relocated here before relocating to Century Square between 2022 and 2023.

1723 - From 1996 to 2022, this was Sally Beauty Supply (wiped out in a chainwide purge). From 1986 to 1996 this was Shoe World. Originally, 1725 Texas Avenue South was a large Safeway store, opened in 1976 as one of the biggest supermarkets in town (not quite as large as Skaggs Albertsons, but still one of the largest Safeway stores in Texas when it opened). In 1988, parent company Safeway Stores Inc. sold off the Houston division, with the stores renamed as AppleTree in 1989. I only have vague memories of AppleTree myself as H-E-B Pantry and Kroger quickly became favorites and other supermarkets in town, including Winn-Dixie and Albertsons were scarcely seen. In November 2002 it closed due to heavy competition. After it closed, it remained vacant, was extensively renovated on the same footprint when the center was redeveloped (it likely reuses the foundation), with half of it reopening as Spec's Wine, Spirits, and Finer Foods in 2007 in a newly badged address (1729). The other half (reviving the 1725 address) was finally reused in 2012 when OfficeMax (#6501) moved into the side that Spec's didn't use. The store was smaller than the one it replaced just down the road and it closed around December 2017, presumably so the company could consolidate with the Office Depot down the street. In 2019, it reopened as TJX Companies' HomeGoods.

The last building, behind an Exxon (not part of the center) has 1731 (Sleep Station) and 1727 (Napa Flats Wood-Fired Kitchen, opened 2013). From 1977 to 1993 this was 3-C Barbecue and from 1993 to c. 2011, Houston-based Souper Salad, which closed several other stores in that timeframe. (I'm not sure what, if anything, Sleep Station used to be).

Finally, the restaurant outparcel of the center was originally Burger King, one the wood-trimmed-interior ones, built in 1985. For a number of years, it would be the only Burger King in town despite the rapid of expansion of McDonald's stores in the area. As part of the renovation around 2007, Burger King moved out and was replaced by a new Chick-fil-A, the second Chick-fil-A in College Station (that is, if you didn't count the four CFAs at the time on campus--Ag Café, MSC, Underground, Commons--though they were all "Express" locations) and the first that wasn't part of a larger structure (Post Oak Mall, specifically), and also the second stand-alone CFA in the county. Specifically, Burger King would move and replace an old Diamond Shamrock (the classic old green-and-white design, with the Helvetica lettering) at Deacon (more on that here). In 2017, the Chick-fil-A completed a re-do of the exterior that added a second drive through that eliminated a number of parking spaces (you can't park in front of the store anymore).
UPDATE 04-23-2024: The most recent update fixed a bunch of problematic entries, with almost every entry being rewritten and updated.

Sunday, April 29, 2012

Memorial Student Center

I admit, the new MSC does look stunning sometimes. (Picture by author, 2013). The old picture that appeared at the top of this post can be seen here.

Editor's Note from April 2020: This article was originally written in 2012 and went through some subsequent updates in 2013. At the time, especially when the first version of the page went up in April 2012 (when the MSC re-opened), I was a student, and the writing tended to reflect that. Even the website itself had lots of items in it that were later purged as things changed and a greater sense of what I wanted the website to be emerged. While I tried to get to restore the article as it appeared when it first went up (as in, with pictures, not the original text), the Battalion links don't work anymore and there's no archive available at this time. It is also one of the website's longer articles. The 2020 update featured a substantial rewrite of the article, with the older version seen here, archived shortly before the article was re-written.

The Memorial Student Center at Texas A&M University (at 275 Joe Routt) is more than a typical student union building that is found in nearly every campus, a commons building with lounges, a food court, offices, and conference facilities. Planning for the MSC began in the 1930s with a new building envisioned to replace the YMCA Building as the "social" center on campus (which had, among other things, a bowling alley and swimming pool in the basement). The growing "Texas A&M College" needed a large, centralized place for student activity and from day one, it was meant to be a memorial to those who served in the war, initially the "Great War", and later, World War II. The architect of the MSC, Carleton Adams, went to seven student centers from Midwest universities to gather ideas, always a good idea to gather ideas to become the best there can be. Sam Walton of Wal-Mart did the same thing, and up until his death 1992 kept visiting discount stores of all types to perfect his discount store. As part of the planning process (for the MSC, not Wal-Mart), Adams tossed around a few ideas for the name, including "The Memorial" and "Gold Star Hall".

In 1947, the building, now known as the Memorial Student Center, began its groundbreaking, situated between Houston Street, Clark Street, Lamar Street, and what would be Joe Routt Boulevard by the 1950s, replacing several houses (professors lived on campus in those days). It was also across the street from Guion Hall, a beautiful example of Classical European-style architecture, which was going out of style as Modernism started to take hold. The MSC was one of these, and ushered in an era of Frank Lloyd Wright-inspired buildings (the All-Faiths Chapel is another).

After three years, the building opened, dedicated to the fallen Aggies in World War II and World War I. I can't find the exact date of this opening: it was dedicated on 4/21/51, but according to the Battalion archives, it had been open for a few months prior, mentioning a bowling alley tournament as early as February 1951. The building actually had opened in September 1950.

The opening of the MSC was a huge deal to the university and the city of College Station, as for one it was one of the first air-conditioned buildings on campus, and the fact that it had ballrooms, a bowling alley, a barbershop, a dozen conference rooms, three dining rooms, a reading room (stocked with newspapers and magazines), a game room, and several retail tenants (a bookstore called the Exchange Store, hobbies and crafts, and even a cookie/candy counter, akin to what a department store at the time would have) Considering at this point America's first fully enclosed, climate-controlled regional mall was five years away, this was one of those "nothing else like it" buildings. I'm not sure what the "three dining rooms" was: I imagine that it wasn't for student use (people ate in Sbisa or Duncan), and for special events where a huge dining hall would not be appropriate.

Another feature of the MSC was a hotel on the second level, with 65 air-conditioned rooms. This replaced the on-campus Aggieland Inn (not related to the former Ramada that closed in 2011). However, the campus grew in the 1960s (accepting women, African Americans, and non-Corps members in the 1960s) and the MSC just wasn't adequate for Texas A&M anymore. The 1950s design had been outmoded, and it was time for change.

The 1970s incarnation did not close the whole MSC, and rebuilt it in phases, starting in 1971. The nearby Guion Hall, however came down for the Rudder Tower and Rudder Theatre complex (1970s Brutalist architecture had taken charge by this time) at about that time.

During this time, the MSC was not called the MSC (a successful branding campaign later on), it was known as the "C". When it finished renovations in 1974, the Memorial Student Center featured a new post office location (the Aggieland Post Office, officially, which used locks and keys instead of combinations), a cafeteria (or two?) and more bowling lanes. Another feature of the new MSC was a covered drive-up on the Lamar Street side. Decked out in the latest of 1970s fashions, students of the time thought the décor was tacky and overpriced, with a pine refectory table ($1650 in mid-1970s dollars), Japanese silkscreens, Italian marble busts, and more, especially since this was a time when students were paying six dollars a semester hour instead of two (it probably seemed like a huge deal at the time), and the Promenade, a gaudy room with chandeliers, dozens of big-game mounted animals heads, and a globe with flags sticking out of it. Windows looked out to the east, and when polled, 92% of the student body disliked it.

This room would be the Flag Room, which would later be seen as a revered campus gathering place, but that was years away. The animal heads were removed, and because the university couldn't get rid of them by sending them back, they were stored in a hangar at Riverside Campus. When I first wrote that section, I commented that they "presumably are still there", indirectly citing Riverside Campus' underuse and general age. Given that Riverside Campus has/is being redeveloped as the "RELLIS Campus", it is truly unknown to what happened with the animal heads, if they even made it this far.

Other changes of the 1970s included a larger Browsing Library (the Reading Room's descendant, I think) which had now expanded not only books and music, but video. Rumours (correct spelling, yes) was added near the Joe Routt side, a snack bar/coffeeshop which not only offered meals but occasional live entertainment.

The biggest change was the relocation of the relocation of the Exchange Store, which began calling itself the Texas A&M University Bookstore. While it would never move from that location (later the MSC Bookstore and now Barnes & Noble at Texas A&M University), it had a distinctly different layout. The lower level had textbooks (as they do now) but also different books (paperbacks, magazines, study guides, Cliffs Notes, reference books). The upper level had school supplies (now in the lower level for the most part), calculators (not cheap in the 1970s), A&M branded gifts and clothing, stationary, gifts, and records (I don't believe the 2012 incarnation of the bookstore sold ANY music).

As time marched on, the roads around campus started to close to make the campus more pedestrian-friendly. Houston Street no longer continued to the north (indeed, the 1970s renovation added a concrete pedestrian bridge from the MSC to the Rudder complex), Lamar curved left into Houston (heading north toward the YMCA Building and Sbisa), and Military Walk was converted to a pedestrian walkway and its identity all but forgotten. All the while, the student population was growing. By the 1980s, enrollment was around 40,000 up from 18,000 in the 1970s. Proposals for growth were submitted, and some student offices were outsourced to the Pavilion on Spence Street (which had been rebuilt into office space at about that time).

The overcrowding issue in campus affected other parts of campus. In the early 1980s, when parking on campus was plentiful and free, the MSC Cafeteria had chicken fried steak nights. According to TexAgs.com poster Aggiefan54, "The [chicken fried steak] would hang off both sides of the plate, was tender and perfectly cooked, and the sides were great. Then they did something with the food service provider (one of the first privatizations?) and quality went to crap and the crowds disappeared. It was like going to Luby's or Furr's Cafeterias, only better-and it was in Aggieland."

When it was obvious that the Pavilion was not going to cut it in the long range, work began on not only the MSC's second remodel but an additional building not connected to the MSC, the John J. Koldus Student Services building, opening catty-corner to the MSC, at the southeast corner of Houston Street and Joe Routt Boulevard. It even contained a parking garage. Winter 1986 had the building closed for asbestos tile removal.

The 1990s remodel (1989-1991) did not do much to the building's décor, leaving it solidly in the 1970s. What was done was a three-level extension to the east, removing the Flag Room's windows (and by this time, I believe "Flag Room" was the official name) and the concrete bridge for an art gallery, an enclosed skywalk over to Rudder, and the Micro Computer Center (a software store attached to the bookstore), which by circa 2000 had been transformed into a full convenience store (Aggie Express). The basement got a new bowling alley (8 lanes) while the old one became the Hullabaloo Food Court, which offered a variety of options.

The 1989-1991 remodel added a covered walkway between the Rudder complex and the MSC, and a huge skywalk above, with the collective structure being named "University Center Complex". I remember the sign that they had in front of the skywalk with profile views of the Rudder complex and the MSC. The Flag Room's windows were lost as the J. Wayne Stark Gallery was added, and the bowling alley was moved to the expanded basement. There was the "Print N Copy" in the skywalk section. The renovation ousted of some of the university functions that were not student centered (including The Department of Parking, Transit, and Traffic, which would move practically off-campus in 2006). The bookstore got a minor expansion, but by and large, the MSC remained a 1970s time warp. In fact, up until the closure in 2009 the meeting rooms and ballrooms retained their unique decor. Gaze at the wonders of Room 201 and its trippy pinecone-shaped lamp fixtures, for instance. This would be destroyed later.

It was this time that I remember the MSC. There was something about the dark corridors, the wood trim, the huge bookstore (for years, they had "Bop It", Nerf gun, and Super Soakers pens), and the bowling alley (it wasn't as good as the Wolf Pen Bowling, which wasn't much better). And of course the International Weeks...the Multi-Cultural services for the university were there, and I vaguely recall going there once or twice (when did they did their events).

But whether I liked it or not, the MSC was getting old. There was a very minor renovation of the Flag Room in 2004 (if I remember correctly, mostly new furniture: less couches), and the bowling alley finally met its demise in 2005 after several years of losses. Not to say no one went bowling: it was still modestly popular and the campus bowling team had actually outgrown the space. This happened rather unceremoniously, considering bowling had been around in the MSC since day one.

2005 was perhaps the last "golden years" for the old MSC. The Hullabaloo food court was remodeled, which involved brightening it up a bit and modernizing it. By the end of this, it featured Chick-fil-A (which would be the fourth Chick-fil-A on campus, albeit short-lived one at that), The Other Burger, Sargino's, and Downtown Deli. The Other Burger was a rebranding of a no-name hamburger stand in the food court (to match the one in the Underground), and Chick-fil-A replaced a line that served chicken fried steak and chicken strips.

All but one these establishments were featured elsewhere on campus, and I dare say that Downtown Deli was the same as Common Denominator in all but name--a "make your own sandwich" place. Moreover, the bowling alley did reopen that fall (instead of the rumored computer lab). It still wasn't making a profit during the off-season, and there was no way the eight lanes would make a profit, no matter how many people went bowling. To be profitable, it would have to be 12 lanes. Nevertheless, it, along with the piano practice rooms, pool tables, arcade games, and TV rooms (collectively the MSC Bowling & Games) remained, saving student jobs and keeping bowling part of the MSC tradition.

Another part of the "MSC tradition" in danger was the hotel rooms. In January 2006, the Board of Regents decided to close the MSC Hotel, due to similar reasons of the MSC Bowling & Games: it was not making a profit (it rarely had more than 50% occupancy and was mostly at losses since 1992). This was because the MSC Hotel was not up to standards, and lacked many of the amenities modern hotels offered: high speed Internet, on-site parking (best bet was parking in the garage attached to Koldus), an elevator, bar, or lounge. [source 1, 2] While it made sound financial sense to convert much of the space to meeting space, some students felt that although there were much nicer hotels around College Station (something that could not be said in 1951), it was against the MSC tradition of hospitality, but like the Bowling & Games, it was partially reopened.

Another loss before the old MSC went away forever was the Browsing Library, by 2007 it was converted to the MSC Class Councils Center (the Internet had presumably put the screws to it).

Still, the MSC flourished, as part of student tradition and the MSC programs, which are something entirely (for more focus on the MSC programs, you can read the book Building Leaders, Living Traditions: The Memorial Student Center at Texas A&M University, which wasn't consulted in the making of this article).

But dark times were ahead. The MSC was not to standards for the Americans with Disabilities Act, and the electrical, plumbing, and HVAC systems were aging and in need of repair. KBTX reported that ceilings were stained and cracked. An option to renovate by the student government appeared in October 2007. This initial plan would not close the MSC, but merely fix it up and update it. There would always be some part of it open. This video was posted on YouTube in support of the MSC renovation, which noticeably looks different than the actual product, particularly the shot of looking east toward Rudder Tower, replacing the loading docks with a large landscaped plaza. In reality, of course, this became part of the building. Heroically, there were votes against it, but the video was weak. It was hard to balance the energy of the MSC of the Future versus grim warnings of higher costs.

Thanks to some sort of mix-up regarding the plans of the building, it was delayed for a few years, until April 2009, when construction was about to begin. This renovation would dramatically alter the building, and cause it to close until August 2012.

The old MSC was doomed. By the end of the 2008-2009 school year, the MSC Bookstore moved into the G. Rollie White Coliseum, displacing the volleyball team (which moved out to West Campus, permanently), and the remaining services offered by the MSC spread across the winds of campus. The Choral Activities moved into the Commons basement, closing the popular Tomato Bar (which its cross-campus "Tomato Bar Express" paled in comparison to). The harsh buzz of the mercury vapor lights, the overall depressing atmosphere, and the overall reduced size was a terrible thing to happen to the bookstore, but it remained open.

Here is the map of the University Center Complex (including Loupot's) that was on the MSC website, circa 2008. Notice that it looks back toward Joe Routt Blvd., looking south. Not the greatest of maps, but it should do.



Most of the meeting space was outsourced to the nearby Rudder Tower/Rudder Theatre Complex, which was limited somewhat even, as the outdoor plaza that connected the second floor of the two buildings was closed, as well as the Rudder Fountain. A lot of the offices were relocated to Koldus, which had been built for the purposes of an overcrowding MSC and was about to be truly utilized once more. The Student Media (radio and The Battalion were moved to the Grove, where they would remain in a trailer house-like shack even as construction of the Old Main underpass would eventually take hold. The "Print N Copy" and the University Frame Shop would move to the Graphic Services Building, on Ireland Street. The Forsyth Galleries and J. Wayne Stark Gallery would relocate (I believe the J. Wayne Stark Gallery was in Downtown Bryan for a while). The Art Collections offices and Campus Art Loan Program resided in an office space carved out of the sixth floor of Evans Library (I believe there's grad student offices there, as well).

Worse was the closure of the food places at the MSC. When the MSC closed, about a third of the campus eateries essentially vanished. Despite minor updates to the other food places on campus, this was a blow to eating at campus as a whole. The casualties included the 12th Man International Food Court, a product of the 1990s (as it won some sort of award in 1999), which featured "three self-branded units: 01 Armydillo's, a barbecue unit; Elephant Walk, serving Asian cuisine; and Olla Roja, with its Tex-Mex menu." Before the 12th Man International Food Court, there was a "12th Man Burgers" in the MSC instead.

I can't speak for Elephant Wok (the actual name, it was misspelled on the article--it also served sushi, apparently, and it was better than the overpriced "Simply Fresh" sushi). Both of the Asian places on campus during the MSC's closure were pretty bad: both ChopStix and the worse Sucky Lucky 8) The recently remodeled Hullabaloo food court went too. Look at this: it looked like one of the nicer places to eat on campus at the time (ignoring the ripped out ceiling tiles and the like, that is):



The university tried to make up for the losses, including opening a small coffee bar in the lobby of the Rudder complex, extending hours of Bernie's Café, revising the menu of the Grill at the Pavilion, and opening ChopStix near the Commons.

The Aggieland Post Office closed permanently: a victim of changing times. Just as well: USPS announced major cuts during the time after the closure (it's okay, the Northgate Post Office is still open and still delightfully old-fashioned--although the Houston Street rebuild has made it extremely difficult to access), the Bowling & Games would not be returning, the Wells Fargo ATM would be moved to the Rudder building, the MSCC Information Desk was moved to Koldus, and the Aggie Express Convenience Store would shut down as well. Rumours was closed down permanently, with it and the post office being turned into an expanded bookstore. The loss of Rumours has been mourned by the students that remember it. Like how the Commons offered the "make-your-own" options, here's something from that same Epinions.com review about the late, lamented Rumours.

I can hear the angels singing as I type the name. This is as good as it gets on campus with the exception of Cain [which featured an upscale athletes-only buffet]. I actually find it as good as most places off campus. It's a great sandwich shop and deli. They make a great club sandwich and chicken caesar roll-up (my two personal favorites). They have excellent hot sandwiches as well. This one gets the A+, and it's the only one that I would choose to eat at over some off campus restaurant. The only problem is that it's not that big. It can be pretty busy around lunch time, taking as long as 30 minutes to get from the end of the line to having food in your hands. Finding a place to sit can be a trick, but usually someone will scoot over on a couch upstairs and give you a seat.

Sadly, I could find very little in terms of Rumours or the things it offered. I did find this graphic from 2001 (which confirms the spelling), and it apparently did offer Starbucks Coffee.


The course of the renovation did more than just give it new HVAC systems and a new coat of paint: it all but demolished the building and rebuilt it. In fact, with the changes proposed, it would've been probably more economical to run bulldozers into it and rebuild from scratch.

While the shell of the building and its concrete foundations went largely untouched, the building was ripped down to the bare walls, removing flooring, walls, and ceilings. From this 2011 shot, it looks like the roof was removed from most of the MSC and the upper level was completely gutted to the slab. Ouch.

For about two years, the MSC, Rudder Plaza, Joe Routt, and the northbound lane of Clark Street (renamed "Gene Stallings Blvd." in summer 2011) was closed off as the building came apart and slowly reassembled.

After an invite-only event on the evening of April 20th, the MSC was officially re-dedicated and reopened the April 21st, 2012, the, with one-time Presidential candidate and long-running Texas governor Rick Perry in attendance.

Everything about the MSC was altered, though necessarily not for the better. The hotel and the bowling alley, two of the things that the MSC had always featured for about half a century, were gone. Of course, these were also the things that were considered unprofitable, and the costs of making them viable were unfeasible. The bookstore needed the space of the bowling alley, and the hotel lacked free parking (something that every other hotel in town had at the time), thus ousting both. The "replacement" for the hotel was a few "guest suites" rather than the full hotel the MSC originally had. The MSC had a barber shop for years as well (although it likely closed well before the MSC did), with the barbershop briefly being the "Master Styling Center", but a replacement was not in the 2009 version.

Another thing that happened was that the MSC had somewhat sold out to chains: the Print N Copy was to be replaced with a Copy Corner (which wasn't exactly a chain since it is a local chain, but a "brand" nonetheless) and the MSC Bookstore was now branded as a "Barnes & Noble at Texas A&M University", even though it had been operated by Barnes & Noble for several years. This, however, created more of a Barnes & Noble-like merchandise mix, décor, and added a Barnes & Noble Café area (serving Starbucks Coffee, of course).

The second level walkway on the southwest side of the building and the courtyard fountains were completely demolished. While the shipping areas largely remained unchanged (sloping down from an entrance near Clark, er, "Gene Stallings"), a large ballroom (the Bethancourt Family Grand Ballroom, no doubt a well-moneyed alumni) was built over it on the second level. This had exterior staircases leading up to the second level. Directly below it was the new Copy Corner and a new Chase bank. The courtyard outside (now the "Betsy and Pete Forster '63 Courtyard and Garden"), but was reduced to mostly concrete walkways and a tree that they had saved. Unfortunately, the only grass there was part of the protected MSC grass, and there was no real places to sit and eat a lunch. On the west side was a new wing for the Board of Regents.

The Barnes & Noble store got a new, prominent entranceway under where the old A&M-standard Helvetica "Memorial Student Center" was written (indeed, you can see it was where it was if you look above the present sign), and the store was expanded even further than its old boundaries. Taking over the space where the post office and Rumours was, the first level of the bookstore offered a vast selection of both general books (the type you would normally find in a Barnes & Noble), the Barnes & Noble Café, and the new "Aggie Stop" convenience store. The lower level offered school supplies and textbooks. This had to take the space of the bowling alley, the remaining space of which became MacResource Computer Center, which wasn't much bigger or better than MacResource Computers @ Northgate, which it moved from, though this wasn't complete--this didn't open until about a month after the MSC reopened.

The 12th Man International Food Court was changed into a generic food court (officially, "Upper Level Dining") with several different options in an "ala carte" format. There was a "Vindaloo" kiosk, "Ciao" (probably a small nod to A&M's military history: "Chow", get it? never mind), a kiosk with serve-your-own fresh pizza, plus pasta options (usually a pasta-based casserole or fresh pasta), with other types of noodles and soups available. Both before and after the Compass outsourcing, I noticed that there was some quality control issues with the bread served there: one day it could be a slice of buttery goodness, the next a small, thin, stale slice.

I have to say, at first, Ciao was an awesome deal at first: you could two slices of hot pizza, a drink, and a piece of garlic toast for a meal (a good deal). But now it's not so much now. Vindaloo is one of the better deals in terms of dollars-to-food (though that's not saying much). Unfortunately, despite smelling good, Vindaloo (like all mediocre Indian food) compensates for bland food by adding tons of spices, and food being "simutaneously bland and spicy" is never a good thing.


Next to Ciao is "Pile On". Originally, this was a gourmet sandwich option, with a touchscreen interface on what you wanted, such as Vietnamese pulled pork sandwiches.
An alteration for fall 2012 added traditional sandwich options (a la Subway). Unfortunately, this fell short of the original plan--marketing materials mentioned options like fresh tuna, but this was never the case. I quote:

Looking for a sandwich or salad that's anything but ordinary? Then Pile On is the place for you, with selections including fresh tuna, sesame ginger chicken and lemon Dijon pork.
(from the Facility Descriptions).

To the right of the serving area was Smokin', the barbecue option, which was the "return" of 01 Ol' Armydillo's. This I never went to, and the one time I did (post-outsourcing) I discovered that there was no white bread available. High price notwithstanding, that was the dealbreaker.

The Flag Room was arguably demolished and replaced with a suspiciously similar replica. The grid-like 70's ceiling was removed with a generic ceiling with recessed lighting. Also added was some strange, lit plaques on the wall, which I don't have a picture of right now.

The skywalk was razed and replaced with the 12th Man Hall, plus a much smaller skywalk. I've taken a picture as seen below to give you a glance at how wide the original skywalk was. While it was Rumours that was lost for the new convenience store, the old convenience store was turned into Rev's American Sports Grill, the "late-night concept with exterior entrance" to make up for the loss of Rumours, with the menu being upscale hamburgers and grilled chicken sandwiches. One of Rev's big selling points when it opened was serving St. Arnold Root Beer, which was hard to find at the time. Supposedly, Rev's was supposed to serve real beer, but it was decided that serving alcohol in a war memorial wasn't the best of ideas. I did, however, hear of Rumours serving beer in the past, but that's all it is, a "rumour". 12th Man Hall itself is mostly a wide, tall gathering area emblazoned with the names of wealthy alumni who were willing to sponsor it. When it first opened, it had these map booklets derived from floorplans of the renovated MSC. Check them out here.

Because the idea was to purge as much as the 1970s essence as possible, skylights were cut out and light could reach the lower level. The wood trim on everything was gone, with one exception: near the ramp outside the first level entrance of the bookstore (which was also altered, because the ramp was too steep originally for modern standards), has the wood carvings that was from the old MSC.


In the basement area (now called the "Lower Level"), the huge MSC Bowling & Games was reduced to a few pool tables and some couches with TVs and "sound pods". Video games were available for rental. The old Hullabaloo food court was replaced with the "Lower Level Dining" area. There was Cabo, a Tex-Mex inspired eatery. At one time, this was the only non-Rev's place open past four (and hence, mega-popular). I was looking forward to the description as advertised: Discover new Mexican offerings with a fresh twist, from mahi-mahi tacos with melon salsa to chicharron stuffed with zesty marinated pork and caramelized onions. That too was a wash, as they only had certain tacos certain days. Still, the "Taco Al Carbon" I had wasn't bad and was somewhere between the (late? I heard it closed) Rusty Taco and Fuego Tortilla Grill. The tortilla chips had mild seasoning, as well. I liked it overall, and made a plan to return in the fall semester. But by fall semester, Cabo had closed--at least in essence. With the signage intact, Cabo was serving up only a Freebirds-esque burrito for prices I was unwilling to pay.

Another 2012 option, "Cool", offered smoothies, about two or three flavors of gelato, and about four flavors of frozen yogurt. It wasn't anything special and doesn't really pose a threat to any other frozen yogurt place in town, but it is something, and we haven't had gelato since Tuscany's closed. Cool's frozen yogurt wasn't great: the flavor selection and topping selection was pitiful compared to Spoons, and my vanilla frozen yogurt just ended up tasted like sugar. A guilty pleasure, but by no means anything special.

Finally, there was Panda Express, which opened in August 2012 (when it opened, it was just drywall with the Panda Express logo around it). It's also the only eatery in the MSC where you can get soda in a real paper cup instead of the even-chintizier "compostable Pepsi cups". Like most of the campus restaurants, Panda Express at the MSC wasn't as good as the "real" Panda Express stores, and based on a failed job there (manager ghosted me before I started training and filling out the paperwork), it's where other Panda Express employees train for the other restuarants.

Up on the second level was the butchered Room 201, now known as the Robert Gates Student Ballroom at Room 2400, which was converted into a tearfully boring conference room. I can see why my cousin, a member of the Corps who attended Texas A&M in the early 2000s was confused and disappointed by the "new" MSC.

The outside was significantly altered, as well. New entrances with names like "Loyalty" and "Integrity" were added. The most significant change was that Joe Routt, which once ran in front of the MSC as a four lane road, was butchered. The westbound lanes was converted into a wide plaza for things like stairs, ramps, and bike ramps, while the eastbound lanes was rebuilt with brick and had bike lanes (in two directions) and a bus only lane. This meant if you were trying to access the rest of campus (as in, where the parking lots and the like were) Joe Routt was no longer an option. However, in October 2012, the road changed so that normal cars could access it between 6pm and 6am.

The back hallways of the basement (er, "Lower Level", again, but were actually on a mid-level) was also unfinished. The Choral Activities remained in the Commons, because their area wasn't done yet. The Board of Regents wing also wasn't done yet. I can't blame them for cutting a few corners, as construction was mostly complete and the seniors needed some time to see the new MSC, and they were impressed.

By August 2012, the MSC was complete and by September began a Grand Opening celebration, with many guest speakers. By this time, Panda Express, MacResource Center, and Copy Corner (another branded option) were all open. I even attended one of these events: I got to go to a talk by Dr. Jorge Cham, creator of Piled Higher and Deeper.

Unfortunately, while the convenience center and the dining options were open later, the Compass Group had taken hold and the food quality went downhill. While Cabo never offered mahi-mahi tacos, the taco eatery was now a generic make-your-own burrito place, Ciao was no longer offering thick, delicious chunks of lasagna and heavenly garlic toast, replaced with some options that looked unappetizing and had less food. Pile On still had hot sandwich operations but had devolved into more-or-less, a generic "make your own sandwich" place. I remember buying a Vietnamese pulled pork sandwich from the old Pile On, and it was great. Decent bread, real cilantro, good meat. Of course, there were better and cheaper options in more traditional outlets (which were lacking in the area), but it was very good, like the other food in the MSC. Post-Compass, I was appalled at what they served me: some slices of pork, a carrot, maybe some cabbage, on a small, 6 inch toasted wheat bun, with the latter being much more expensive than what I had before.

The new J. Wayne Stark Galleries is nice and feels like a museum, but I never saw the old one.

Joe Routt never really re-opened. The westbound part was closed off for an expanded pedestrian area with lots of bike parking, with the eastbound part becoming a single lane eastbound only for buses, with bike lanes in both directions. By October, the road was reopened, but only between 6pm and 6am, and still no westbound traffic. At that time as well, the part of Joe Routt that ran near Rudder Tower was similarly butchered, with eastbound only as well.

I had only transferred to A&M one semester before the outsourcing hit, with The Commons being one of my favorite places to eat and even in fall 2012, I ate at the "BioBio" building in West Campus (which had a Which Wich and a Chick-fil-A). The on-campus lunch options eventually got so bad that by fall 2014 I had stopped eating on campus altogether...and the MSC unfortunately led that cause.

By spring 2013, Cabo was offering "tacos", but it was just burritos in a different tortilla size, and also offering ridiculously overpriced bottles of Jarritos. "Noodle", which was only in business in fall 2012 and had large (overpriced) cups of noodles, broth, vegetables, and protein was gone (I actually was a bit partial to the tofu and vegetable-based broth one, despite not being a vegetarian). I had tried Smokin' that same semester, and was pleased to find it offered just plain cafeteria-style food (and included things like boudin) but was appalled to find that it was far overpriced. In 2013, I got some boudin (which as you know, is mostly rice), macaroni and cheese, green beans (both pretty meager servings), and a banana. Without soda, it was $7.80, which was ridiculously high for a meal like that.

Happily, despite the loss of the old MSC, there is this Flickr album that has the MSC as it appeared in 2009. Do check out the impressive "gold grid" of the Flag Room: it gave it a level of warmth unseen in the new one. Also, note the change between the yellowish tile of the 70s MSC and the carpet of the 1990 expansion.

In fall 2013, Stark Galleries got some new signage in its south entrance (just east of the Flag Room), and the ruined Cabo was replaced with a Compass/Chartwells brand, "Chick-N-Grill". Changes to the upper level dining included "Crispy", a "budget" option that served fries, chicken fingers, and white gravy...probably to appeal to the chicken finger crowd, missing the point of what makes Layne's and Raising Cane's tasty (the chicken is unseasoned, no Texas toast, and white gravy is no substitute for the seasoned mustard dips), a smaller Cabo line (again burritos). To add insult to injury, the upper level dining center briefly got shut down due to rats, causing the student body to demand meal plan refunds. I guess I should've been grateful that my chicken fingers was in fact chicken, and did not have a strange, gamey taste to it.

By 2014, a large fixture that resembles a bunch of Christmas lights hanging down, which were supposed to do something like intermingle images of old with passing visitors through, or something along those lines, but I've never seen it worked (it remains a piece of nice, but expensive, décor). Below this light fixture is a fish tank with the cringe-worthy name "Aglantis", and has not much more beyond a crab ("E. Crab Gill"). "Aglantis" was the "winner" in an ocean of other cringeworthy puns, including "Under the M-S-Sea".

Already, the MSC is showing its age, reports are Chick-fil-A will be added back as well as a Jason's Deli in the upper level. Plus, apparently, the idea of a hotel on campus was not lost on A&M leadership, as in the late 2010s, Cain Hall was torn down for the "Texas A&M Hotel & Conference Center" and a parking garage.

For a final thought, the MSC really didn't have to go the way it did. Sure, it was dated, but I feel it didn't need all that have ripped out of it. Instead of destroying the courtyard with a "maze of wheelchair ramps", they could've just lowered the MSC's floor for access to it (after all, the ramp in front of the bookstore to the left of the Flag Room was altered to be less steep and into ADA standards). The Flag Room could've been left alone completely. Rumours could've been expanded (with keeping the original 70s theme) with an interior entrance. The post office probably couldn't be saved but recycled into the bookstore. The 12th Man International Food Court and Cafeteria could've been renovated into the concepts they introduced. The hotel could've been renovated into meeting rooms, and the lighting and flooring could've been altered. They could've left some parts open with others closed, which was the idea behind the previous two renovations. Since they did completely close the building anyway, they could've done something even more interesting, like officially connecting Koldus or The Zone to the building.

It's particularly telling that historians mourn the loss of "classical" buildings like Guion Hall, yet still see the (increasingly shrinking) 1970s-era buildings on campus as "outdated" and need of renewal. It's just the cyclical nature of progress, I suppose.



This article was written with the assistance of the official MSC History, MyBCS posters, cody_green, early 1970s Aggieland yearbooks (concerning the early 1970s MSC history, of course) and Nicholas Roznovsky. To have your say, send an email to admin@carbon-izer.com.